Sunday 13 January 2019

Mahābhārata and archaeology: the chariot of Sanauli and the position of Painted Grey Ware


Director SK Manjul from ASI showing the chariot from the excavation site at Sanauli

One of the great archaeological news of 2018 has been the discovery of the 'chariots' in Sanauli, UP, a village in the Ganga-Yamuna Doab where an archaeological site has been found, labelled as Late Harappan or Ochre Coloured Pottery/Copper Hoard. An interesting article from News18 says:
Spate of excavations in Uttar Pradesh’s Sanauli and Chandayana have thrown open possibilities of new cultures for the current archaeologists and they differ from Lal’s hypothesis. Lal correlated the ‘Painted Grey Ware Culture’ of archaeology to Mahabharata and bracketed it in the 1100 BC time frame. The new hypothesis now strikes the correlation between Ochre Coloured Pottery (OCP) with the Mahabharata Culture, which brackets it in 2000 BC. 
Based on the excavations conducted under him in Sanauli, where a chariot was found in June, SK Manjul, the director of Institute of Archaeology, under Archaeological Survey of India, delivered a lecture in July 2018 in Delhi. The title of the talk was “Mahabharata and Archaeology: PGW vis a vis OCP/Copper Hoard Culture.”

In the lecture, Manjul made a case for OCP as a culture relation to Mahabharata. The presentation was: “The hypothesis given by BB Lal and others on the basis of archaeological findings in the lower strata at Hastinapur and similar findings from other sites mentioned in the Mahabharata correlated Painted Grey Ware Culture with the Mahabharata Era.” Lal noticed Painted Grey Ware from important sites mentioned in Mahabharata and time bracket of war suggested around 1000-900 BCE. But recent excavations in Sanauli, Barnawa and Chandayana have a different story to tell - that of much earlier culture OCP. [...]  
As per the archaeologists, who are votaries of the New Hypothesis, PGW is marked with “rural settlements, pit dwellings and hut. There are weapons, arrow, head small, spear head [maybe arrow head and small spear head?], agriculture tools, bone points, metal iron. No chariots found. It shows limited and distinct pottery traditions. It has very less information on Vedic rituals and traditions.” 

On the other hand, the archaeologists say that the OCP is marked with “Advanced weapons and tools, antenna sword, harpoon, celts, dagger and shield, metal copper and advance chariot found. Advance pottery tradition including metal pots. Also, it has similarity with Vedic rituals.”
This connection was already proposed by S.P. Gupta and it was advocated also in a 2017 article by Vinay Kumar Gupta and B.R. Mani about Painted Grey Ware. I have also supported it in my article about the chronology of Mahābhārata and Ṛgveda, after having determined that the great battle should be placed in the year 1432 BC, a date based on the astronomical details from the poem and on the recurrent Purāṇic statement about the 1015 or 1050 years between the birth of Parikṣit (contemporary with the battle) and the coronation of Mahāpadma Nanda that can be placed in 417 or 382 BC (see the article for more details). About the archaeological connection, I wrote there: 
If we look at archaeology in order to find a corroboration of this date, we cannot reasonably pretend to find traces of the battle, but we do have some interesting elements for comparison. In the late 15th century B.C. in the area of Kurukṣetra we still have Late Harappan settlements, and in one of them, Bhagwanpura, particularly close to the supposed site of the battle, we find Late Harappan pottery together with Painted Grey Ware, dating here from 1400 B.C.[i] It is well known that according to B.B. Lal this ware is related to the Mahābhārata period because it is found in many localities mentioned in the poem, like Indraprastha (the capital of the Pāṇḍavas, identified with Purana Qila in Delhi), Hastināpura (the capital of the Kauravas), Ahicchatrā (the capital of North Pañcāla) and Kauśāmbī (the capital of South Pañcāla). But we have another ware that is present in the area of the Kurus (Upper Doab) and in the same sites of Hastināpura, Ahicchatrā and Kauśāmbī in the II millennium B.C., namely the so-called Ochre Coloured Pottery, as already observed by S.P. Gupta.[ii] This is the pottery of the first level of the aforementioned sites, it is generally dated 2000-1500 B.C., but the thermoluminescence tests on sherds from Atranjikhera, Lal Qila, Jhinjhana and Nasirpur have given dates between 2650 and 1180 B.C.[iii] About Hastināpura and Kauśāmbī, there is the important tradition that the fifth successor of Parikṣit, Nicakṣu, abandoned the first city, because it was carried away by the Ganges, and made the second one his capital.[iv] B.B. Lal has claimed that this is confirmed by the PGW levels of Hastināpura, where there are traces of a partial flood, and by the fact that we can find a similar PGW culture in Kauśāmbī. But we can observe that also the first, OCP level, of Hastināpura was abandoned, and that also in Kauśāmbī there are OCP levels which have been only hypothetically dated by Sharma in 1960.

[i] Kenoyer (2006, 43).
[ii] Gupta and Ramachandran (1976, 47-9).
[iii] Ghosh (1989, vol. I, 174-5).
[iv] Pargiter (1922, 285); Singh (2004, 143).  

I also noticed that PGW is absent from Gujarat, although places like Dvārakā and Prabhāsa in Kathiawar have a central role in the poem in connection with Kṛṣṇa and the Yādavas. And, if Kṛṣṇa's Dvārakā is to be identified with the submerged city found by S.R. Rao near Bet Dwarka, and, as he said, “it is possible to postulate on structural, ceramic and inscriptional evidence that Dwarka was built in the 15th century B.C. when the sea level was lower than at present and was submerged within a hundred years”, we have another confirmation of this chronology, because according to the poem (see here) the city was submerged 36 years after the battle, that is, in 1396 BC, and at the same time the remaining Yādavas abandoned Kathiawar towards Indraprastha after the massacre of their clans called Vṛsṇi, Andhaka and Bhoja. According to Kenoyer, most Late Harappan sites in Gujarat have a break after 1400 BC. Also Mukhtar Ahmed in a book on the end of the Harappan Civilization observes that the Lustrous Red Ware (that was found also in Bet Dwarka) continues until around 1400 BC, and afterwards there is a break in the archaeological record at most sites until around 600 BC. The coincidence is really impressive, and since it appears to confirm so precisely the account of the Mahābhārata we wonder if there are material traces of the migration. Mukhtar Ahmed says that Lustrous Red Ware was found also in Navdatoli III and Ahar IC, in the Ahar-Banas culture. Pargiter (p.279) wrote that the river Banas or Parṇāśa is connected with the Yādava king Devāvṛdha, brother of Andhaka and Vṛṣṇi, and his descendants reigned at Mārttikāvata, "which was apparently in the Śālva country around Mt. Abu", that is, in South Rajasthan where the Ahar-Banas culture was. And Arjuna established one of the emigrating Yādava princes, the son of Kṛtavarman, in Mārttikāvata. 

There was another kind of pottery common between Gujarat and this region, namely, the Black and Red Ware (BRW), that had a very long tradition in the Ahar-Banas culture, especially in Balathal, from the 4th millennium BC. The same kind of ware is dated 1450-1200 BC in the Western Ganges plain. This age of start is remarkably close, although there is also the theory that it came from the BRW tradition of the Eastern Ganges valley. As the Japanese archaeologist Uesugi has written (see here): "During the second millennium BCE, the black ware industry was present in the Ganga Valley and southern Rajasthan and made its appearance in the western Ganga Valley and northern Rajasthan, to which the black ware industry was introduced either from the eastern Ganga Valley or from southern Rajasthan, as this region was widely occupied by the Bara‐OCP complex during the early second millennium BCE. There is no conclusive evidence for determining from which region the black ware industry [was] introduced to the western half of the Ganga Valley, but the morphological features of BRW and BSW [Black Slipped Ware] from this region suggest their introduction from the eastern Ganga Valley rather than from southern Rajasthan." However, later on he says: "Noteworthy is that BRW and BSW in the western Ganga Valley include shallow bowls/dishes in their formal assemblage (Figure 9: 22, 23). The origin of this form cannot be revealed with the currently available evidence in the Ganga Valley, but as it was absent in the assemblage of the eastern Ganga Valley during the early second millennium BCE (Purushottam Singh 1994, 1996), it can be presumed that this form emerged during the late second millennium BCE in the Ganga Valley." But shallow bowls were present in the Ahar-Banas BRW (see here and here).

So, if BRW came to Western UP from Rajasthan, we would have a sign of the migration of the Southern Yādavas, taking their seat in the area of Indraprastha in the Doab, where Arjuna brought "the bulk of the people", as Pargiter says and installed Vajra as king. On the other hand, in the Viṣṇu Purāṇa Arjuna establishes Vajra as king in Mathurā, which is much more logical, since Mathurā was already a Yādava capital before the invasion by the king of Magadha Jarāsandha that compelled Kṛṣṇa to go to Dvārakā.





Uesugi continues: "In the western Ganga Valley and northern Rajasthan, the black ware industry is identifiable as having an independent phase between the Bara‐OCP phase and the PGW phase and as continuing to the following PGW‐dominant phase (Gaur 1983). Even in the Ghaggar Valley, BRW and BSW are known to be associated with PGW, although there is no independent phase of BRW and BSW in this region. These pieces of evidence imply that the black ware industry and PGW had some relations."

So, the Painted Grey Ware in the Doab comes after the BRW, and in the Ghaggar valley they come together. This means that the PGW culture is connected with that local tradition, and not with an alleged western migration. What Uesugi also remarks is that the PGW pottery is radically different from the previous Bara-OCP pottery of Late Harappan affinity for the forms and the painting motifs. He also doubts that the overlap of PGW and Late Harappan in Bhagwanpura is real, because it concerns only potsherds and not full vessels in burials. However, even if we accept the overlap, we have to do with two different traditions. Was the PGW culture the result of the arrival of the southern Yādavas? According to Uesugi, the area of origin of PGW can be the Ghaggar valley: "The region of origin of PGW has not been specified, but the dense distribution of PGW sites in the Ghaggar Valley and the cultural sequences in different parts of North India suggest that PGW developed in the Ghaggar Valley. However, it is important to repeat that PGW did not have direct relations with the Bara‐style pottery which was widespread in the preceding period but had connections with the black ware industry in the Ganga Valley. Therefore, the origin of PGW must be searched in its relations with the black ware industry in the east, that is in the connection between the Ghaggar Valley and the Ganga Valley during the second millennium BCE. This is a hypothesis to be tested against more evidence in future studies." 
I find quite difficult to accept that the PGW culture could develop in the Ghaggar valley where the local tradition was completely different. It seems more likely that it developed where there was already the similar BRW-BSW. Another region with high frequency of PGW sites is the region of Mathurā or Braj region, as noticed especially by the already cited article by Kumar Gupta and Mani: "The Braj region for sure presents the most dense settlement pattern in the entire sub‐continent and the area west of Yamuna has to be the core area of the PGW where the minimum area required for the presence of a PGW settlement comes out to be just about 16 sq. km. [...] Now, we have quite solid grounds to speak about the authors of the PGW culture. The PGW using people were indigenous to the area where their settlements are found in high density, i.e., the Braj region. They did not come from outside. Their pottery technology seems to be an advancement over the pre‐existing Black Slipped Ware and plain grey ware technology, so they were in continuity of the earlier folks who used Black Slipped Ware with grey core and plain grey ware."


Painted Grey Ware

If the Braj or Mathurā region was the place of origin of the PGW, it would be of Yādava origin. Anyway, it is clear that the PGW culture spread in the Kuru-Pañcāla kingdom that was central in the late Vedic period of Brāhmaṇas, a more peaceful culture compared to the Ṛgveda: in the same way, PGW culture seems less warlike than OCP/Copper Hoards, as the same article remarks: "The Mahabharata was a period of continuous warfare and the limited weaponry evidence from PGW horizons does not favour it whereas Copper hoards are associated with OCP on a secure ground and the Copper hoard implements might be indicative of an atmosphere of warfare."
  
In fact, the new discoveries from Sanauli/Sinauli show us a warrior culture with swords and chariots, but this culture is not only typical of the Mahābhārata: also the Ṛgveda mentions battles, warriors, chariots, and sometimes swords and spears (asi and ṛṣṭi). If the age of the Sanauli chariots is 2000-1800 BC (or also 2100 BC as I have heard from another source) it would correspond to the age of the early Ṛgveda according to my chronology. Finally, we would have the concrete representation of the rathas of those ancient hymns.
   
Update April 2020: While preparing an article from this post, I have deepened some topics, so that I have realized that Uesugi must be correct: BRW came from the Ganges valley to Western UP and this coincides with the great rising of the power of the Magadha king Jarāsandha around 1450 BC, which compelled also other populations to flee towards the west, as clearly said in the Mahābhārata (II.13, see here):
At present, however, O monarch, king Jarasandha, overcoming that prosperity enjoyed by their whole order, and overpowering them by his energy hath set himself over the heads of all these kings. And Jarasandha, enjoying the sovereignty over the middle portion of the earth (Mathura), resolved to create a disunion amongst ourselves. O monarch, the king who is the lord paramount of all kings, and in whom alone the dominion of the universe is centered, properly deserves to be called an emperor.
And, O monarch, king Sisupala endued with great energy, hath placed himself under his protection and hath become the generalissimo of his forces. And, O great king, the mighty Vaka, the king of the Karushas, capable of fighting by putting forth his powers of illusion, waiteth, upon Jarasandha, as his disciple. There are two others, Hansa and Dimvaka, of great energy and great soul, who have sought the shelter of the mighty Jarasandha. There are others also viz., Dantavakra, Karusha, Karava, Meghavahana, that wait upon Jarasandha. [...] And, O king of kings, Bhishmaka, the mighty king of the Bhojas--the friend of Indra--the slayer of hostile heroes--who governs a fourth part of the world, who by his learning conquered the Pandyas and the Kratha-Kausikas, whose brother the brave Akriti was like Rama, the son of Jamdagni, hath become a servitor to the king of Magadha. [...] And, O exalted one, the eighteen tribes of the Bhojas, from fear of Jarasandha, have all fled towards the west; so also have the Surasenas, the Bhadrakas, the Vodhas, the Salwas, the Patachchavas, the Susthalas, the Mukuttas, and the Kulindas, along with the Kuntis. And the king of the Salwayana tribe with their brethren and followers; and the southern Panchalas and the eastern Kosalas have all fled to the country of the Kuntis. So also the Matsyas and the Sannyastapadas, overcome with fear, leaving their dominions in the north, have fled into the southern country. And so all the Panchalas, alarmed at the power of Jarasandha, have left their own kingdom and fled in all directions. Some time before, the foolish Kansa, having persecuted the Yadavas, married two of the daughters of Jarasandha. They are called Asti and Prapti and are the sister of Sahadeva. Strengthened by such an alliance, the fool persecuting his relatives gained an ascendency over them all.

The movement from Magadha and generally from the east to the west corresponds to the movement described by Uesugi about the diffusion of BRW. The Japanese archaeologist also maintains that PGW formed later, with eastern influence, in the 'Upper Ganges' region, that includes the Ghaggar valley and corresponds to the land of the Kurus, which is central in the late Vedic period. On the other hand, the Indian archaeologist Vijay Kumar (see here) has recognized also patterns from the southern Ahar tradition in PGW pottery: "The PGW has been tentatively assigned the time bracket of 1200 to 600 B.C. The diagnostic pottery of this phase is PGW. The shapes are similar to those found in BRW phase. The new painting designs are introduced during this phase. Roughly linear parallel lines on grey pottery are inspired from corded ware tradition of the east but the curved and wavy lines are inspired from similar paintings on Aharian black and red ware." 
So, it is possible that also a Yādava influence from Rajasthan was present in the PGW tradition, that started after the great migrations following the Mahābhārata war. The long Harappan-OCP tradition was now replaced by a rising Gangetic culture, as is also stated in MBh. III.85: “It hath been said that in the Satyayuga all the tirthas were sacred; in the Treta, Pushkara alone was such; in Dwapara, Kurukshetra; and in the Kali-yuga, the Ganga alone is sacred.” 


    









17 comments:

  1. these people are just creating sensationalism by trying to link mahabharatam to some pots

    traditional timeline of mb is pre 3102 bce and recent analysis by astronomy is c 5561 bce

    if mb clearly mentions sarasvati river flowing and we know from geology it dried out by 2000 bce what is the sense or logic in post 2000 bce mb dating?

    for some actual analysis nilesh oak has some books and videos out

    another person mrugendra vinod has a geneological estimate based on aihole inscription here

    http://indiafacts.org/epoch-of-bharatas-as-indicated-by-direct-records/

    and more recent updated analysis in this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb7cGJQhXtQ

    video is in hindi but puranic timeline is displayed in english slide

    these timelines are conflicting and need to be resolved but in anycase before 3000 bce only

    indian archaeologists should drop the marxist racist aryan invasion timelines and think independently

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    1. nilesh oak and koenraad elst debated these dating issues in this video

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPty4bvUmY

      this was recorded before the sinauli find

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    2. The traditional date of 3102 BC was given by the astronomer Aryabhata, I wonder why it is so popular in India. I think it would be more traditional to follow the Puranic statement about the 1015/1050 years between the Parikshit and Mahapadma Nanda.

      About the Sarasvati, it is not true that it was completely dry by 2000 BCE, actually the upper course had a lot of sites in the Late Harappan period 1900-1500 BC. And the Mahabharata describes a river that ends at Vinashana.

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    3. some of this is explained in this article

      http://indiafacts.org/can-veda-shakha-pravachana-rescue-bharata-itihasa/

      mb says sarasvati flowing from plaksha prasravana to vinashana which does not match geologist claim that it dried out 2000 bce

      both places pp and v are now identified

      so you will need to get geologists to revise and state it was still flowing in 1500 bce from pp to v to support such dates and until then the 2000 bce date should stand

      the shatapatha brahmana does mention drought and migration and indus era style bricks too and atleast one part is very accurately datable to 2900 bce

      https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/nakshatra-krittka-rising-due-east-part-1/

      so these early dates should not be a surprise

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  2. Oak's dates are too early for the 4500 BCE date calculated independently fo Rig Veda by Tilak and Jakobi in the late 19th century when the AIT was a fully accepted theory.

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/explore/dawn-of-the-vedas/article8682325.ece

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    1. Rightly brought out. Oak goes further into posterior where he errs.
      Numerous people, including the Europeans have agreed to the following:-
      1. Beginning of Kali Yuga in 3102 BC.
      2. Great War in 3138 BC.
      3. Movement of the Great Bear into Magha constellation.
      4. Various dates of events before, during and after the Mahabharata War.
      But the Biblical story of Genesis blocks the European thought-process and analytical abilities.

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  3. Hello Professor Benedetti:

    An anonymous professor of linguistics from the University of Rome has commented on Angela Marcantonio's groundbreaking piece on the present status of IE linguistics and the IE family

    FYI:

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/MarcantonioA2009IELanguageFamilyEn.htm

    Marcantonio's main thesis is that the IE family is the cause of the comparative method and not the result of it. Looking at the list of Turkisms in English the verb for "to carry" or "bear" that is often cited as the prime example of how IEL reconstruction works has a striking counterpart "ber" in Turkish.

    Another important and related paper by James Clackson

    https://www.academia.edu/9452122/_The_Origins_of_the_Indic_Languages_the_Indo-European_model_in_Angela_Marcantonio_and_Girish_Nath_Jha_eds._Perspectives_on_the_origin_of_Indian_civilization_New_Delhi_259-287

    shading light on what these reconstructed language families can and cannot say about actual cultures and movements of people.

    Abstract
    ": This paper presents the basic assumptions underlying the hypothesis that the Indic languages belong to the Indo-European language family, whose other members include Latin, Greek, Hittite, Persian and many of the major European languages. However, it is argued that this model of language relationship on its own can tell us very little, if anything, about the homeland or society of the original speakers of the language ancestral to the Indo-European family."

    Mayuresh Kelkar

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    1. Dear Mayuresh Kelkar, the second paper seems reasonable, and rightly refutes Marcantonio's criticism. The affinities between IE languages are too strong, lexically and morphologically, compared to other languages, if we find some similar words in other families they are more isolated cases, that can be explained in two main ways: prehistoric kinship/contact and historical borrowing. Both seems to be present in the list of Turkic words given by the first webpage you give. But about Turkic 'ber', already Bomhard has compared it with IE *bher, although he gives as meaning in Turkic 'to give', which is not properly the same as 'to bear, to carry'. So, we must be very careful.

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  4. The following paragraph from Clackson's paper jumped out at me as a native speaker of the Marathi language.

    "Thus for example modern Indic languages which show ergative structures, so that the subject of a transitive verb is not always the same as the subject of an intransitive verb, could no longer be classed as Indo-European (see the same criticism made already by Allen (1953: 92))."

    I wonder if Marathi falls into this category and can no longer be considered "Indo European." Please see below:

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Marathi-a-Dravidian-Language

    As one can infer from the discussion in the above forum , passions run high while debating language classifications.

    Also from Clackson's paper

    "His (Trubetzkoy's) main goal, in my view, was to highlight the divergence between the results of the comparative method and the spoken parent language of the Indo-European language family, and in particular the attempts by scholars (especially German scholars of the 1930s) to associate specific archaeological cultures and ethnic types (‘races’) with the Indo-Europeans."

    Leaving aside the issue of pots and pans for now, this is another problem I have for dating Indo Aryan languages and by extension the history of the peoples living on the Indian subcontinent solely on the basis of the Rig Vedic texts. Linguistic "evolution" can work in reverse as opposed to Darwin's biological evolution. Humans cannot borrow tails from monkeys. But it IS possible for a grammarian to "purify" spoken languages just for liturgical purposes creating chronological confusion. Thank you for your time.

    Mayuresh Kelkar

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  5. Hello Giacomo,

    How are you doing ?

    About a couple of days back I re-read a brief preliminary article by archaeologist Vijay Kumar on the Sanauli chariots.

    http://www.ijarch.org/Admin/Articles/9-Note%20on%20Chariots.pdf

    In that article, Vijay Kumar refers to a monograph written by him on OCP. Fortunately enough, I was able to find the whole book of which the monograph is a part.

    http://www.ijarch.org/Admin/CompleteIssue/IJAVOL2NO4.pdf

    The monograph on OCP is wonderful and very informative. It gives us a glimpse of the current archaeological view in India about OCP, Harappan, BRW & PGW cultures.

    The following points are worth noting :-

    1. The OCP culture is older to the mature Harappan phase and it is atleast as old as 3200 BC and likely to be even older.

    2. The OCP culture has connections to the Sothi-Siswal pottery and Ganeshwar Jodhpura archaeological complex. It borders on its West, the Harappans and on its East the 'Corded Ware' culture. This 'corded ware' culture is that which originates in the Neolithic of the Middle Ganga plain exemplified by sites such as Lahuradewa, Koldihwa, Jhusi etc. BRW & PGW are considered to be derived from this 'corded ware' pottery tradition and is therefore an Eastern tradition.

    3. There is significant overlap between OCP and Mature Harappan at several sites in Haryana, Rajasthan, Western UP etc. OCP is often found before, during and after the Mature Harappan phase at those particular sites.

    4. OCP is apparently very different from 'corded ware' culture to its east and is being considered to have had local cultural roots.

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    1. Dear Jaydeep, sorry for the late publication, I did not notice the mail with your comment and I was busy with school, forgetting the blog... Thanks a lot for the second link, where there is the long description of OCP in relation to Aligarh and Hathras districts. And thanks for the important points you give above. In that chapter, it is interesting that the OCP area corresponds quite well to the Paurava region in Pargiter's map, from Haryana to Varanasi.

      On the other hand, this study also says that Ahar-Banas culture, that we can connect with the Yadavas, was similar to OCP, and that OCP was the earliest attempt of a 'pan Indian culture'. In my chronology, Bharata can be placed in this period (2400-2300 BCE), and his reign was from Sarasvati to Ganges according to some sources, so OCP could be not only the Paurava, but the Bhārata culture. It is also interesting that sites were small and houses of wattle and daub, something corresponding to the reconstruction of Vedic way of life.

      About the following BRW period, it says that it comes from the eastern corded ware (Middle Ganga Valley), but for PGW it says that the curved and wavy lines are inspired by Aharian BRW, which is from South Rajasthan. This influence from a far region like Ahar is quite surprising, and I think it should be explained by migration. In this perspective, PGW would be the result also of the migration from Rajasthan mentioned in the Mahabharata, while the BRW of the Doab, of eastern origin, can be connected perhaps with the conquest by the Magadha king Jarasandha. I have just read a passage of the Mahabharata about Jarasandha (http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02014.htm). It's quite impressive, because it speaks of a sudden invasion by the Magadhan king and a general flight of many tribes. There must be a tradition here of a dramatic political change, that suggests a new importance of the Magadha region and can maybe explain also the change in the settlement pattern between OCP and BRW in the Aligarh district. Probably also some climatic change is involved. The period around 1450-1400 BCE must have been really critical in North India!

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  6. The modern chronology was distorted. Nanda did not rule in 400 bc, he ruled in 1600 BC. The number was 1500 years from Parikshit to Nanda. For that see Vedveer Arya's paper The Chronology of Ancient India: Victims of Concortations and Distortions.

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    1. And so you reach 3100 BC. It is easy to do history in this way, changing the numbers until you reach the desired date. I wonder why that date fixed by Aryabhatta was so successful, here you can find an interesting explanation and criticism of his intervention and a date for Mahabharata close to the one I have also accepted: http://www.indiaawareness.org/aryabhata-i-niraj-mohanka-indologist/

      About Nanda, we even have Greek and Roman sources, besides Puranic, Jain and Buddhist ones. He was after Mahavira and Buddha and close to the time of the contacts with the Greek authors that started with Alexander.

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    2. Read the works of Vedveer Arya on Academia.edu.

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  7. Hi, this is Jim R. McClanahan. I thanked you on academia.edu for uploading your lovely paper on the drought-causing rishi and his seductress. I was hoping to connect via email as I don't get alerts when someone replies. You can write me at mcclanjr@miamioh.edu

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  8. Well congrats on the broad appeal that your Iranian PIE hypothesis has found in academia. I have followed your blog and supported your work, long before Iran was anywhere in the picture, myself with strong intuitions that PIE was closer to the S. Caucuses. Thanks a lot

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