tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post7948312739873548155..comments2024-03-12T09:39:48.847-07:00Comments on New Indology: Were the Mitanni Aryans really Indo-Aryans?Giacomo Benedettihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-20582535988934072692024-02-19T01:44:50.362-08:002024-02-19T01:44:50.362-08:00Thank you so much Dear Giacomo Benedetti . you are...Thank you so much Dear Giacomo Benedetti . you are greatReason in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981645433197719662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-51201728202852071972024-02-17T08:42:13.880-08:002024-02-17T08:42:13.880-08:00The reference is the article linked at the end of ...The reference is the article linked at the end of the post: https://www.jstor.org/stable/24048424#metadata_info_tab_contents "On Some Supposed Indo-Iranian Glosses in Cuneiform Languages" <br />Bulletin of the Asia Institute New Series, Vol. 7, Iranian Studies in Honor of A. D. H. Bivar (1993), p.48Giacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-72175311257768890552023-12-20T01:34:12.416-08:002023-12-20T01:34:12.416-08:00Thank you for the excellent argument . May you ple...Thank you for the excellent argument . May you please give me the refence of : "Diakonoff denied the identification with Varuṇa and proposed to read Avestan urwa(n) 'soul', 'soul of the dead', so that Uruwanaššil would be 'gods of the sphere of the souls of the dead'." I need to read more his argument . RegardsReason in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981645433197719662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-68558219266088458122021-09-02T08:58:50.181-07:002021-09-02T08:58:50.181-07:00But according to your so called theory they were E...But according to your so called theory they were Europeans and in mittani kingdom people spoke non indo aryan language only rulers spoke indo European languages and egyptian historians wrote that even the mittani rulers were invader came from east with war chariotsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-12909035693320028902021-09-02T08:54:52.273-07:002021-09-02T08:54:52.273-07:00Yes they worshiped indar Varun ashwin mithila and ...Yes they worshiped indar Varun ashwin mithila and other devasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-68929672599784101962021-05-15T04:02:17.717-07:002021-05-15T04:02:17.717-07:00The Mittanis are probably the ancestors of the Kur...The Mittanis are probably the ancestors of the Kurds. Cünyırhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05837192181474865457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-10062889410951727032021-04-21T14:45:27.487-07:002021-04-21T14:45:27.487-07:00Even if one is to ignore strong similarities betwe...Even if one is to ignore strong similarities between Sanskrit Lithuanian n to an extent German which is not the case with Avesta , there are r oo many similarities in names n natures of Gods Goddesses in Orephic hymns which may suggest Greek Mythological figures being borrowed from Sanskrit itself Samarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02763276761500517147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-88622364086784415952021-03-05T04:27:54.898-08:002021-03-05T04:27:54.898-08:00What? Did you even read what's written in the ...What? Did you even read what's written in the article? Also, there's no actual evidence of large-scale violence or destruction in any of the sites discovered in IVC till date. Stop parroting outdated theories under a well-researched piece such as this. If you have evidence (most historians accept 'migration' of Indo-Aryans, not 'invasion'), cite your sources. Tejashwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125969003876414613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-11219088517967876972020-07-04T06:38:06.856-07:002020-07-04T06:38:06.856-07:00Indo-Aryan, Meluhha speakers moved into Bogazkhoy,...Indo-Aryan, Meluhha speakers moved into Bogazkhoy,Anatolia ca 2500 BCE; evidence of Indus Script hieroglyphs on two seals https://tinyurl.com/y7f7vtkj Two Mitanni seals of double-eagle PLUS hare, double-eagle PLUS rope-twist tell a different story.kalyan97https://www.blogger.com/profile/10697859363967489909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-36427722005377229792020-05-11T23:06:45.908-07:002020-05-11T23:06:45.908-07:00aryans were from arabic mitanni kingdom ... invade...aryans were from arabic mitanni kingdom ... invaded india and killed our harappan civilization and other moolnivasisALexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14128178102817441786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-21924287103559575532019-09-02T09:02:26.073-07:002019-09-02T09:02:26.073-07:00J2 is muslim while R1a1 is Indian Aryan.J2 is muslim while R1a1 is Indian Aryan.Tomshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14205290954479753409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-89806512090999300212019-09-02T09:00:27.215-07:002019-09-02T09:00:27.215-07:00Why not??Why not??Tomshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14205290954479753409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-74220939162108834672019-07-07T17:10:48.501-07:002019-07-07T17:10:48.501-07:00Now that they have found the Mitanni tablets, hope...Now that they have found the Mitanni tablets, hopefully these will be translated soon and the translations will be made public.Red To Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508454493694797870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-41207357067315743882018-11-04T12:33:22.320-08:002018-11-04T12:33:22.320-08:00Hello Dr. Benedetti
In case you have not seen the ...Hello Dr. Benedetti<br />In case you have not seen the following papers by Russian linguist Igor A Tonoyan-Belyayev’, here is the link.<br />http://independent.academia.edu/IgorTonoyanBelyayev<br />The Five Waves paper is particularly noteworthy.<br />Mayuresh KelkarMayuresh Madhav Kelkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418844256177729386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-91426983486692034832018-10-22T09:54:58.968-07:002018-10-22T09:54:58.968-07:00I know this argument, but I do not think that from...I know this argument, but I do not think that from this single word we can argue that we have an Indian-like Prakrit. Assimilation can happen everywhere. Also in Italian Latin 'septem' has become 'sette'. Probably the Hurrian substrate has caused the assimilation in Kikkuli's form. The initial s- instead of h- is not relevant as we can see that it is a late development in Iranic. Giacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-66796892858089381482018-10-19T13:18:12.675-07:002018-10-19T13:18:12.675-07:00we can make all kinds of allegories, for example t...we can make all kinds of allegories, for example the seven in mitanni is satta, it seems more prakritic than sanskrit or anything into iranian has to offer, so on that bases we can conclude that entire language is infact proto prakrit and not even vedic.<br /><br />sanskrit - sapta<br />urdu/hindi (prakrit)- saath<br />avestan - hapta<br />persian - haft<br /><br />regardsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082847776055154178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-40509160818354251262018-10-16T14:36:16.977-07:002018-10-16T14:36:16.977-07:00Zoroastrians should be a good example of descendan...Zoroastrians should be a good example of descendants of ancient Aryans, so if they have frequently L, this Hg should be included. J2 appears more and more as one of the most important IE haplogroups. It has appeared in Bronze Age Anatolia and Mycenaean Greece, and it is apparently associated with the spread of Romans, while in India it is common in Brahmins, also descendants of Aryan speakers. Indus periphery is Aryan in my opinion, as it is BMAC and Shahr-i Sokhta where they have found J2a. As I argued in an old post, the Bronze Age cultural area between Iran and Harappa matches very well the Aryan world, especially as we know it from Rigveda and Avesta. Obviously, I use Aryan in the sense of Indo-Iranian.Giacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-40683325137170922302018-10-15T23:16:30.386-07:002018-10-15T23:16:30.386-07:00"The idea that R1a=Aryan is not correct. Most..."The idea that R1a=Aryan is not correct. Most Iranians are J2, and also many Indians of high castes, so we should also consider at least J2 as an Aryan haplogroup" ---> In the recent Narsimhan's paper "Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia" where they found J2a in two "Indus_periphery" males , do you still consider J2 as 'aryan' !! Also, Zoroastrians in india, pakistan and Iran seem to be rich in Y-DNA L also. Do you think that L might be one of the so-called 'aryan' patrilineal lineages ?tim drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093741606718091068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-52705178584027694322018-09-22T12:46:27.423-07:002018-09-22T12:46:27.423-07:00Kurds are the origin of mankind .noah.s ark stoppe...Kurds are the origin of mankind .noah.s ark stopped there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485156499444171558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-24580702020587752562018-08-14T01:06:48.281-07:002018-08-14T01:06:48.281-07:00"we should also consider at least J2 as an Ar..."we should also consider at least J2 as an Aryan haplogroup" -- Well, it is present in so-called 'primitive tribes' of South India who are Dravidian speaking in moderate-high frequencies. You may want to see this paper <br />https://www.nature.com/articles/srep19157 tim drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05093741606718091068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-42843343181393123902018-07-26T00:24:59.958-07:002018-07-26T00:24:59.958-07:00It is extremely unlikely that people moved out of ...It is extremely unlikely that people moved out of Sind in the Indian subcontinent. Sindhu originally is not a proper noun but a common noun meaning river. Rajesh Kochharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04346839065718900352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-43719063828657350062017-12-17T17:25:09.851-08:002017-12-17T17:25:09.851-08:00Mitanni Indo Aryan appears to have linguistic feat...Mitanni Indo Aryan appears to have linguistic features closer to Middle Indo Aryan given the very frequent anaptyxis and assimilation of dissimilar plosives. Further more it cannot be compared directly with the language of the Rig Veda since the language of the Vedas is reconstructed language. The only comparison being made is with the redacted form of the language from 500 B.C. So that seems to eliminate the idea that the phonological archaisms in Mitanni that are not "found" in Vedic is a credible argument. In essence, it appears that Mitanni occupies some intermediate position between the Vedic Sanskrit and later Indian and Iranian languages.Nruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01103416440317356727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-83234161920294055852017-11-12T05:58:03.253-08:002017-11-12T05:58:03.253-08:00Good question, I do not have a complete answer but...Good question, I do not have a complete answer but from what I know they seem to be a fusion of populations like Hurrians and Lullubi and Gutians with Median but also Scythian tribes. The question is who were the original inhabitants of the Zagros. The fact that the Zagros is the homeland of the Zarzian and Taurus-Zagros Round House horizon, important source of a widespread Neolithic culture, and that genetically the Iran Neolithic people of Zagros have strong links with present Iranians and Indians, suggests that there were Indo-European speakers, and maybe their language was already proto-Iranic. The Gutians maybe were IE speakers, it is interesting that one of their kings in Sumer, Tirigan, has a name corresponding to the Kurdish tribe Tirikan. Another case is the use of Subartu in Sumerian for the northern region, the same area where there is the Kurdish Zibari tribe. I find this book very interesting about Kurds: https://books.google.it/books?id=xgXICQAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&lpg=PT112&dq=Tirigan+armenian&source=bl&ots=2QNszFjzr5&sig=_Bt_sKdkp0LANi9wOBHcrXH7-fU&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF57bGlrnXAhVMtxQKHfgJAvoQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=Tirigan&f=false Giacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-39980092640929576322017-11-10T03:57:11.304-08:002017-11-10T03:57:11.304-08:00Good morning my honorous teacher.
Can you explain...Good morning my honorous teacher.<br /><br />Can you explain more about kurds origins?<br /><br />Every body is telling everything and nothing on kurds. Are they of mesopotamian origin? Are they due to the marriage and fusion of hurrians+sumerians+elamits... with medic tribes?<br /><br />Merci Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07315897919286731457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-222229208055459153.post-11896673835129119862017-09-18T13:00:07.745-07:002017-09-18T13:00:07.745-07:00The idea that R1a=Aryan is not correct. Most Irani...The idea that R1a=Aryan is not correct. Most Iranians are J2, and also many Indians of high castes, so we should also consider at least J2 as an Aryan haplogroup, which is also much more common in Greeks and Italic people than R1a which is instead typically Slavic. Giacomo Benedettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18418729274995219594noreply@blogger.com